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welcome to the skeptic zone the podcast

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from Australia for science and reason

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hello and welcome to the skeptic Zone

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episode number 524 the 7th of October

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2018 Richardson is here with you from

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Sydney Australia and we are all very

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excited because our first guest for

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skeptic on the Australian skeptics

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National Convention arrives in a couple

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of days Yvette dong from on this side

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babe and by the way she'll be on dr.

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Kyle chrysalis Keys Thursday science

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radio day including triple j ABC

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regional Victoria Tasmania Western

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Australia as well as she'll be doing a

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turn on the BBC and a podcast she's in

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for a busy day you can join Yvette Don

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Freemont by the way and all our other

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guests from the convention at a free

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night the free meet and greet at the

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Occidental hotel here in Sydney at

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Wynyard plus the trivia night we're

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gonna have a trivia night former team

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come along cash prizes on the night and

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that will be hosted by myself

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Lara Benham from the skeptics and

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Maynard looking forward to that links in

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this week's show notes so you can

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register for that free night should be a

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lot of fun and we hope we can see you

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there but coming up on this week's show

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another one of the guests from skeptic

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on who will be arriving in a few days

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Kari poppy from the oh no Ross and

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Carrie podcast she's going to be telling

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us what to expect at her talk at skeptic

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on but also more about the podcast

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itself they show up so we don't have to

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following that maenad spooky cat action

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Maynard chats to dr. Christy 6l about

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cats now she is from the Sydney animal

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behavior services and she knows more

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about cats and I know more about cats

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and you know more about cats than may

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not knows more about cats she knows a

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lot about cats why do cats do the things

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they do we often wonder if you're a cat

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lover or you don't love cats you'll find

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this interview very interesting

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following that a bit of news about the

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dinner meeting the skeptic on dinner I

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should say we have a announcement of the

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host the emcee for the night then

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report on the recent shonky awards by

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choice magazine these are the wards

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given out to dodgy products products

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that don't work dangerous products of

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particular interest this year to

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skeptics to other products one is

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magnetic therapy and the other one is

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homeopathic then de round off the show

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and interesting interview Manor does

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with David Rosenberg who was the

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technical consultant on a new ABC

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dramatization here in Australia about

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Pine Gap spies and satellite information

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intelligence-gathering very interesting

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man indeed he'll be the guest speaker at

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skeptics in the pub here in Sydney next

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month by the way now Pine Gap is of

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interest to skeptics because many well I

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want to say many some at least people in

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this country think that it's a secret

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base for UFOs it's really a an american

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australian joint information gathering

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facility right in the middle of

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australia near alice springs but i have

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been to a talk where the person on the

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stage said that they have alien clone

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robots there i'm not making that up

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Pine Gap the TV series and reality

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coming up later on with Maynard but now

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it's time for me to run downstairs try

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something I saw on the internet which is

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whipping up and beating up an egg or a

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lattice formation letting that cook a

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and joining me now from Hollywood

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yes Hollywood it's hairy puppy from oh

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no Ross and Carrie podcast hello Carrie

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hi Richard how are you I'm so well today

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I'm excited because our convention is

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just around the corner skeptic on and

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you're coming out you're coming out to

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Australia for the first time I believe

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yes I fully expect it not to be there

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what have you heard

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well the flat-earthers tell me that

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Australia is just an invention of the US

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government of course it's our government

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of course and that really when you think

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you're going to Australia you're

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actually being sent to I believe it's

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South America yes and your whole

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continent just doesn't exist it's part

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of the whole ball earth scam

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because as it happens once upon a time

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Australia and South America would joined

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they know that is because there's

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ancient platypus fossils or the

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ancestors of platypus fossils in South

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America that's that's yeah is Australia

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overrun with platypi oh yeah yeah it's

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catches we've been I've seen two or

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three in the wall in my whole life

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mostly in zoos however they're so cat

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when you visit you might be able to see

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one for yourself oh yeah I mean the

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platypus is so crazy it what are you are

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the males have poisonous spikes oh is

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that right you think it gets pretty vert

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everything now for those people who

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don't know and there can't be many of

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those about oh no Ross and Carrie

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because you know Carrie I just I was

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having a think before chatting to you

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and I remember interviewing you and Ross

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in Las Vegas you know hotel room many

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years ago because you are starting a

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great new podcast called vile oh no Ross

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and Carrie all you just started or

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something like that but for the people

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who may not have caught up with that

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what's the general idea of your podcast

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sure so we've been doing it for seven

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years and that was that was 2011 and we

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our interview with you was that July so

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we were very very much babies at the

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time but this shows an investigative

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journalism podcast and what we do is we

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investigate all sorts of extraordinary

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claims by taking part ourselves so

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sometimes we go undercover

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we joins the Church of Scientology for a

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couple months we joins the Mormon Church

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but then other times we will just try

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anything that's kind of off the beaten

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path for ourselves and that might mean

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getting fire cupping or doing ear

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candling or trying some new weight-loss

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method that seems a little questionable

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and we let ourselves be the guinea pigs

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for all these things and try with a

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sample size of two to see how much it

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really holds water you must have had

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some remarkable experiences and I don't

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convention audiences cuz I'm sure

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they'll be really looking forward to

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some of the more bizarre things that

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you've gone through but it's interesting

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you do try all these things like

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alternative medicine you must have met

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way to believe truly extraordinary

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things and and it does seem like each

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modality or each belief system attracts

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a different kind of person I feel like a

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very different person is attracted to

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say Scientology as a

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is an Eastern philosophy but at the same

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time I hate to say cuz it's such a warm

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and fuzzy obvious thing to say but it is

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true the more you hang out with all

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these groups the more you realize oh

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these are normal people we all have

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these wants and desires for community

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and belonging and for sort of a silver

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bullet that's going to cure our problems

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and it really humbles you it really

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makes you realize oh I'm not smarter

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believe you know isn't based in fact

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along your adventures who would look at

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other people in other groups as being

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the crazy ones yeah yeah there's some of

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that and some groups are better about it

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than others I think of the Mormons were

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actually very self-aware about that they

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would say oh well you know every

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religion has some bit of truth in it and

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they compared it to a bolt of lightning

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that lights up the sky for a second and

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for a second you can see everything

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awareness and every religion does that

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we just happen to take ours gives a

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little more light so you know that that

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was a much more humble perspective

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is a UFO believing religious group they

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Balian so how can they believe what they

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that dead aliens communicate with us and

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that they seeded humanity and to me

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interesting now how do you and Ross

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decide what to look at or what adventure

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to do next oh boy it's it's a bunch of

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different factors that come together

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there we have this list this master list

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of potential investigations we call it

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it's a Google Doc we both share and

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right now I want to say it's 14 pages

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long single single spaced so we will

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never run out but we're constantly given

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suggestions from our listeners we

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probably get a dozen a day I'd say oh

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yeah recommendations of things and we

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still hear new things all the time so

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we'll kind of let those percolate in our

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mind but we really want to go after the

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things that get us excited because as

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best when the person involved is excited

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about it so so we we look at our list

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and we also just look at what's going on

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in the area and and we just kind of let

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that guide us sometimes we will look at

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what's in the news and if it's something

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that's really pressing and we really

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want to give our perspective on that

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topic right away we'll do that but

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honestly that's that's more rare so yeah

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you know we're also both holding to the

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schedules of all of these teachers and

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gurus who travel around the world and

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sometimes we'll say oh they're coming

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tomorrow let's go now how as you said

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you've been doing this for quite a

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number of years now and I salute you for

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that I know what it's like to do a

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podcast year after year after year and I

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trust that you and Russ are still really

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really getting a lot out of it

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involves so much adventure because we're

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both just kind of adventure junkies and

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and I think it comes across in the show

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that you have genuine interest in the

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topics you cover and the people you meet

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and and and and as you say you turn up

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so we don't have to yes that's right

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we recently we were kind of regretting

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showing up because we've been drinking

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our own urine for two weeks we didn't

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know would actually end up doing it but

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we few people had asked for it over the

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years and then during our fun drive last

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year we said okay okay if if we get

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4,000 new members will drink our own

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urine and we thought oh that's such a

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huge figure there's no way blew right

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past it Richard yes we do show up so you

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don't have to in some sense to our own

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detriment use official I don't know

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where to go now hang on a second

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you've got I've got the giggles now

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Carrie I was just gonna think well well

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skeptic zone listeners you don't have to

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worry about that I'm not about to offer

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that for more subscribe because no

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because you show up and we don't have to

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you do that crazy stuff so I can sit

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back and enjoy it and the listeners all

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around the world can sit back and enjoy

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Carrie where can people go to enjoy

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owner Ross and Carrie oh you know all

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the usual pod catchers have it if you'd

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like to listen to it right off the

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website though we're at maximum fun org

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and then you just pull down the show

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drop down menu and find us fantastic

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Carrie it's not long now and folks

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coming to skeptic on in Sydney or if

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you're thinking about it this is your

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chance to meet Carrie poppy from owner

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Ross and Carrie and hear firsthand a lot

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more about her crazy adventures with

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Ross and doing this wonderful podcast

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but for now carry puppy all the way over

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there in Hollywood thank you very much

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my pleasure hello listeners a maximum

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fun I want to tell you about our newest

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podcast that tells you all about the

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truth of the Flat Earth have you been

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looking out over the horizon and you've

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been thinking wait a minute this doesn't

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look round I've been lied to my whole

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life what is NASA doing with 52 million

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dollars a day oh come on we explode the

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myths just kidding we're oh no Ross and

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Carrie and we investigate extraordinary

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claims that's right we investigate

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extraordinary claims firsthand we go

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undercover in fringe groups we get

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alternative medicine treatments and we

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hang out with people who have unusual

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beliefs like flat earthers 9/11 truthers

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we do ghost investigations we've joined

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Scientology and we got baptized in the

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Mormon Church if it goes bump in the

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night

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then so do we hmm why don't you check

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out oh no Ross and Carrie at maximum fun

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years may not spooky action at a

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look one of the very interesting

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speakers here today was dr. Kersey 6l

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she was talking about cats and and what

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you can do with them and what you need

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and I certainly learned something being

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an on cat owner I think I made mother

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the right decision in not having one

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because if you're not home a lot cats

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get sad or annoyed or angry how do they

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go I think all animals need company

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humans same so I do I think you can be a

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cat owner or a dog owner and not be home

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a lot I mean I've traveled a lot around

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the world but I make sure that my

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animals are looked after either by my

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husband or somebody else or someone else

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there right yeah what is the one problem

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and things because I learnt many things

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about that first for most people have

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literature eyes that are too small they

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don't have enough of them and that's

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another thing in fact my dad had a cat

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tinker and tinker would just go poop in

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one litter tray and would want another

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trade so he had like four the decreased

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for one trick one cat so is that because

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he's learned that all do cats normally

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like to have fresh litter trays all the

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time oh yeah absolutely how often do you

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want to go to a toilet that hasn't been

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flushed but truly they do you know they

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need a little tray that's comfortable

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for them to get into if they're older in

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the bit arthritic then climbing over

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high sides it's going to be hard if

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you're tiny you need to get the one

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that's comfortable to get into and yet

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cleanly got to be large too like you

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were saying so if you go to a pet store

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there's probably going to be a litter

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tray that's not big enough absolutely we

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can't buy them in Australia yet but you

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know watch this face hopefully we're

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going to be able to do it but we can go

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to all sorts of times would you

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recommend if you're looking for

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something for a good eye for me I look

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for a litter tray that's one and a half

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times the length of the cat including

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the tail so that's fairly big and you

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know your daughter your dad story about

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the cat you know if there was small left

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litter trade maybe if it was large

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enough he could poop at one end and be

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at the other end

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but if it's dirty nobody likes them very

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much what do you think of the expensive

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solutions like plumbed laser activated

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things that cats can hop into and or

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teaching them to use a human toilet well

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there are those ideas a good one or not

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not it like either of those ideas I have

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one of my colleagues in fact who was a

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presenter on ABC radio who bought a cat

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automatic cleaning

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it's way expensive and it was best

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environmental enrichment for the cat in

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step in and get them all the good

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mechanics to work and step out and watch

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it all go and like

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ever used it for a litter tray but loved

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it as a toy and really if you know how

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cats when they eliminate they've got a

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dig a hole and then they've got a circle

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and dig a hole and circle and then they

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cover you can't do that on a human

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toilet so you actually stop normal

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behavior for cats and you can actually

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cause some problems so sounds good for

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us not good for the cat now obviously

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you've done a lot of behavioral looking

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at cats over these what's the strangest

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behavior you've noticed in a cat that

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maybe you're able to solve or go oh

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that's why that's doing hand you know

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it's a good question

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we don't really talk about animals

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having strange behaviors or such anymore

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because what I deal with animals mental

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health issues and it'd be like asking a

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psychiatrist what's the strangest

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behavior you've seen with a human with a

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mental health issue and you've been able

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to resolve so you know we see animals

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with obsessive-compulsive disorders we

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see animals that have all sorts of other

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anxieties or post-traumatic stress

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disorder we see all that and so we can

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help them all but they're you know it's

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the way they manifest is the way cats

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behave rather than the way that you know

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you and I might think of funny and

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there's some pretty awful things I think

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when you look on you know funny cat

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videos when I look at them and I say to

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you that's not funny at all that poor

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animal is really suffering what about

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like a clinical pharmaceutical

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intervention with animals I've always

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thought that's a bit odd because it's

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very hard to tell exactly what's going

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on because they can't tell you how they

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feel do you believe in like you know cat

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antidepressants or anything like that

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absolutely absolutely yeah absolutely

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20% of people have some sort of mental

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health disorder that's going to need

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some sort of intervention sometimes

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during their life the same with dogs and

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same with cats and we work a lot with

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pediatric psychiatrists and

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pharmaceuticals by themselves are not

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the answer by any stretch of the

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imagination so always when we have

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animals with issues we will do behavior

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modification with them teach that change

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their emotional response to things

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manage their environment as best we can

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so that you know if the cat's distressed

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because the litter tree is dirty boo the

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owner has to go and get a bigger litter

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tray clean it out more often but if they

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really have a psychological problem to

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the point where we have a neurochemical

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imbalance they

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often need to have psychotropic

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medication to help them do that

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can you take blood tests as any of blood

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markers from the animals you can do to

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help them but work out what the balance

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should be we don't do that routinely we

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do blood tests before any animal gets

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put on medication to make sure that

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their liver and kidneys are working

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properly so that they can actually

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metabolize the medication and flush it

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out make sure there isn't another

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disease process because sometimes what

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you see is a behavioral disorder is

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actually a cat that might have another

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disease so sometimes cats that vocalize

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a lot might have thyroid disease so we

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can fix up the thyroid disease without

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even going near pharmaceuticals for the

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brain because we're actually dealing

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with the underlying medical problem and

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I love how you said cats don't know how

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to apologize but if it's not like a dog

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will row or roll over on spec and go oh

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that's okay sorry and and like be

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submissive but cats won't do that even

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in a group no they don't have that

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ability it's not part of cat language

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the ball didn't evolve with dogs and

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people we have actually we didn't

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domesticate the dog we actually mutually

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grew together which is why dogs and

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people we talk about you know it's a

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it's sort of a code amidst occasion for

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lack for a better bet cats were always

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you know doing their own thing and that

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kind of turn up in Egypt and I thought

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hey they'll keep mice away from the

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granaries and but that wasn't the cat's

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idea wasn't they were just gonna eat the

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mice and I said yeah that's a very good

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at finding out ways good for them to be

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and you know the cat when you think

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about its history in the world sometimes

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they were really looked upon as you know

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gods or goddesses and the Egyptian

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culture certainly did that and in the

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old days if your cat died you have to

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shave off your left eyebrow as a sign of

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mourning

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then cats were kind of you know in the

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Middle Ages if you're a woman and you

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had a cat you were burned at the stake

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because you're a witch so cats went from

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being highest of high to the lowest of

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low and now it depends on how you feel

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at cat's in society whether you think

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they're the highest of the high or the

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lowest of the low

544
00:22:46,320 --> 00:22:44,800
now cats can't read or watch television

545
00:22:47,910 --> 00:22:46,330
because of their vision so they just

546
00:22:49,350 --> 00:22:47,920
happened to be staring at stuff but when

547
00:22:51,450 --> 00:22:49,360
they're looking at a spot on the wall

548
00:22:52,800 --> 00:22:51,460
because their visions outside ours are

549
00:22:54,720 --> 00:22:52,810
they seeing something in the ultraviolet

550
00:22:56,010 --> 00:22:54,730
spectrum like maybe some old mouse pee

551
00:22:57,480 --> 00:22:56,020
or something like that what are they

552
00:22:59,190 --> 00:22:57,490
seeing that they're still staring at do

553
00:23:00,660 --> 00:22:59,200
we know well the interesting thing is

554
00:23:03,390 --> 00:23:00,670
they can watch television these days

555
00:23:05,460 --> 00:23:03,400
because yeah because in the old days and

556
00:23:07,500 --> 00:23:05,470
the pixelation wasn't fast enough so

557
00:23:09,750 --> 00:23:07,510
what they saw was a whole pile of slow

558
00:23:11,520 --> 00:23:09,760
pictures and whereas now because it goes

559
00:23:13,260 --> 00:23:11,530
so fast it actually looks like moving

560
00:23:14,640 --> 00:23:13,270
pictures remember in the old days when

561
00:23:16,320 --> 00:23:14,650
they had you don't have to wear this

562
00:23:17,340 --> 00:23:16,330
thing around and what it wasn't a

563
00:23:19,170 --> 00:23:17,350
kaleidoscope I can never remember the

564
00:23:20,670 --> 00:23:19,180
name of them so they actually think it

565
00:23:21,630 --> 00:23:20,680
could be a window on real life is it

566
00:23:23,460 --> 00:23:21,640
what they think something to actually

567
00:23:25,050 --> 00:23:23,470
make television shows for cats now and

568
00:23:26,970 --> 00:23:25,060
little iPad toys that they can play

569
00:23:28,770 --> 00:23:26,980
around with and move things around and

570
00:23:30,600 --> 00:23:28,780
so you know I think they are watching

571
00:23:32,460 --> 00:23:30,610
things now that perhaps you know that we

572
00:23:33,750 --> 00:23:32,470
couldn't before do is it one last

573
00:23:35,070 --> 00:23:33,760
question for all those people out there

574
00:23:36,480 --> 00:23:35,080
that love pampering their cats what's

575
00:23:37,920 --> 00:23:36,490
the one thing you shouldn't feed the cat

576
00:23:39,300 --> 00:23:37,930
that is actually not good for them and

577
00:23:42,120 --> 00:23:39,310
people always make the mistake of giving

578
00:23:44,550 --> 00:23:42,130
to them because they get swatted yeah

579
00:23:46,410 --> 00:23:44,560
it's a good question I mean you know

580
00:23:48,390 --> 00:23:46,420
chocolate isn't good for cats mostly

581
00:23:50,340 --> 00:23:48,400
they don't they can't taste skin you

582
00:23:51,750 --> 00:23:50,350
know sweetness but that isn't good but

583
00:23:53,610 --> 00:23:51,760
there's a lot of poisonous plants that

584
00:23:55,410 --> 00:23:53,620
people have in there in there you know

585
00:23:56,850 --> 00:23:55,420
like lilies for instance and they don't

586
00:23:58,560 --> 00:23:56,860
feed it deliberately to them but they

587
00:24:00,780 --> 00:23:58,570
might have lilies inside the house and

588
00:24:02,310 --> 00:24:00,790
of course they're toxic to cats so

589
00:24:03,870 --> 00:24:02,320
whenever you see lilies and you have a

590
00:24:05,430 --> 00:24:03,880
cat don't put the two together

591
00:24:06,990 --> 00:24:05,440
where can we find you online and get

592
00:24:10,020 --> 00:24:07,000
that book that sounds impossible to me

593
00:24:12,120 --> 00:24:10,030
how to train your cat yeah training your

594
00:24:15,600 --> 00:24:12,130
cat with the first book I wrote you just

595
00:24:17,460 --> 00:24:15,610
go to my website WWF calm delay you and

596
00:24:19,320 --> 00:24:17,470
we can organize the coffee so services

597
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for Sydney animal behavior service.com

598
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like watch your guide to quackery health

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fraud operated by Stephan Barratt MD

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quack watch is now an international

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network of people who are concerned

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about health-related frauds myths fads

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fallacies and misconduct its primary

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focus is on quackery related information

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that is difficult or impossible to get

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elsewhere articles include quackery how

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should it be defined how it sells 26

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ways to spot it

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Howard Homs cancer patients and much

611
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more ww-why watch while we're driving

612
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through the back streets of glebe at the

613
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moment numb with may not and the big

614
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news folks is maynard is going to be the

615
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host the MC of the skeptic on dinner may

616
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not what can people expect they can

617
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expect food some drink epsom wine if

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that's the kind of thing that's it

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really

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I'll be out there telling them what's on

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but I will actually be waiting on

622
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several tables as well I'll be wearing a

623
00:26:07,479 --> 00:26:05,629
cumberbund and people have mentioned my

624
00:26:08,529 --> 00:26:07,489
cumberbund on many occasions and I can

625
00:26:10,869 --> 00:26:08,539
only assume that that's what they're

626
00:26:12,129 --> 00:26:10,879
talking about Maynard and his cumberbund

627
00:26:14,710 --> 00:26:12,139
live on stage

628
00:26:17,109 --> 00:26:14,720
another reason folks if you needed one

629
00:26:18,729 --> 00:26:17,119
more reason to come to the Australian

630
00:26:21,250 --> 00:26:18,739
skeptics National Convention skeptic on

631
00:26:23,410 --> 00:26:21,260
and get your dinner ticket

632
00:26:25,980 --> 00:26:23,420
yes if you aren't coming you fool to

633
00:26:35,950 --> 00:26:25,990
yourself and a burden to others

634
00:26:41,390 --> 00:26:38,840
on the 4th of October our friends at

635
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choice magazine choice comdata you

636
00:26:51,580 --> 00:26:49,690
now these awards are akin to the

637
00:26:54,790 --> 00:26:51,590
Australian skeptics bent spoon award

638
00:26:58,920 --> 00:26:54,800
Ashoke product means dodgy doesn't work

639
00:27:02,049 --> 00:26:58,930
as advertised could be dangerous in some

640
00:27:04,330 --> 00:27:02,059
situations for example one of the awards

641
00:27:08,290 --> 00:27:04,340
this year went to something called

642
00:27:11,530 --> 00:27:08,300
Porter COTS which is a baby's Cod

643
00:27:15,460 --> 00:27:11,540
portable baby's cot but was found to be

644
00:27:18,520 --> 00:27:15,470
unsafe of note this year for skeptics

645
00:27:21,540 --> 00:27:18,530
one of the awards was given to a

646
00:27:25,270 --> 00:27:21,550
homeopathic product by Oh Glenn

647
00:27:27,280 --> 00:27:25,280
homeopathic melatonin and the press

648
00:27:30,490 --> 00:27:27,290
release reads shonky for the trickery

649
00:27:32,980 --> 00:27:30,500
that leaves people sleepless big

650
00:27:35,710 --> 00:27:32,990
pharmaceutical companies or big pharma

651
00:27:38,380 --> 00:27:35,720
are synonymous with big medical

652
00:27:40,270 --> 00:27:38,390
production big money and big impact on

653
00:27:43,480 --> 00:27:40,280
the type of health care products we can

654
00:27:46,270 --> 00:27:43,490
access one thing that's really expected

655
00:27:48,820 --> 00:27:46,280
from Big Pharma is homeopathic cures

656
00:27:51,160 --> 00:27:48,830
which are more typically found in the

657
00:27:53,260 --> 00:27:51,170
domain of alternative therapies however

658
00:27:55,419 --> 00:27:53,270
at least one big pharma company in

659
00:27:59,410 --> 00:27:55,429
Australia is selling homeopathic

660
00:28:01,570 --> 00:27:59,420
products on a very large scale Pharma

661
00:28:04,660 --> 00:28:01,580
care which boasts on its LinkedIn that

662
00:28:06,400 --> 00:28:04,670
its quote the largest private Australian

663
00:28:08,260 --> 00:28:06,410
owned consumer health fitness and

664
00:28:11,200 --> 00:28:08,270
consumer goods company in the country in

665
00:28:13,810 --> 00:28:11,210
quote currently operates 23 brands

666
00:28:16,120 --> 00:28:13,820
including by Oakland according to their

667
00:28:20,080 --> 00:28:16,130
website their products are available in

668
00:28:22,840 --> 00:28:20,090
quote 5200 pharmacies 3,000 supermarkets

669
00:28:25,150 --> 00:28:22,850
outlets departments and variety stores

670
00:28:27,700 --> 00:28:25,160
nationwide and hundreds of overseas

671
00:28:31,450 --> 00:28:27,710
outlets in Asia America and Europe in

672
00:28:33,940 --> 00:28:31,460
quote in 2017 we awarded by a gland and

673
00:28:37,240 --> 00:28:33,950
another pharmaceutical brand Nature's

674
00:28:40,419 --> 00:28:37,250
Way a shonky for its outrageous claims

675
00:28:41,590 --> 00:28:40,429
that sticky sugary lollies our in fact

676
00:28:43,870 --> 00:28:41,600
could for teeth

677
00:28:46,600 --> 00:28:43,880
this year Pharma care and bio Glenn

678
00:28:48,910 --> 00:28:46,610
received another dubious honor for its

679
00:28:52,240 --> 00:28:48,920
over-the-counter melatonin homeopathic

680
00:28:53,950 --> 00:28:52,250
sleep formula while melatonin currently

681
00:28:56,290 --> 00:28:53,960
a prescription only medicine in

682
00:28:58,300 --> 00:28:56,300
Australia is known to promote sleep and

683
00:29:00,180 --> 00:28:58,310
is used to help people suffering jetlag

684
00:29:02,279 --> 00:29:00,190
or sleep disorders there's

685
00:29:04,769 --> 00:29:02,289
no reliable evidence that homeopathic

686
00:29:07,440 --> 00:29:04,779
melatonin or homeopathic products in

687
00:29:08,399 --> 00:29:07,450
general has any effect other than

688
00:29:11,430 --> 00:29:08,409
placebo

689
00:29:13,820 --> 00:29:11,440
despite this the company makes the claim

690
00:29:16,980 --> 00:29:13,830
that bio gland melatonin helps quote

691
00:29:19,769 --> 00:29:16,990
relieve mild temporary insomnia and

692
00:29:21,169 --> 00:29:19,779
symptoms of mild nervous tension and

693
00:29:24,299 --> 00:29:21,179
quotient

694
00:29:27,299 --> 00:29:24,309
unpack claims you might lose sleep over

695
00:29:30,629 --> 00:29:27,309
bio glands melatonin homeopathic sleep

696
00:29:33,779 --> 00:29:30,639
formula is also available in tubal

697
00:29:36,629 --> 00:29:33,789
tablet form or spray and both products

698
00:29:38,970 --> 00:29:36,639
promised to quote relieve mild temporary

699
00:29:41,909 --> 00:29:38,980
insomnia in quote upon the products

700
00:29:44,220 --> 00:29:41,919
webpage we're told quote results depend

701
00:29:46,860 --> 00:29:44,230
on how often the homeopathic remedy is

702
00:29:50,580 --> 00:29:46,870
taken and not on the quantity used to

703
00:29:52,379 --> 00:29:50,590
end quote because in homeopathy quote

704
00:29:54,299 --> 00:29:52,389
the amount consumed is not relevant

705
00:29:57,180 --> 00:29:54,309
children are treated the same way as

706
00:30:00,149 --> 00:29:57,190
adults end quote however directions for

707
00:30:03,600 --> 00:30:00,159
the tablet version state quote to aid

708
00:30:05,970 --> 00:30:03,610
sleep to three to five tablets half an

709
00:30:09,779 --> 00:30:05,980
hour before bedtime unquote while the

710
00:30:12,810 --> 00:30:09,789
spray is quote rapidly absorbed to start

711
00:30:15,600 --> 00:30:12,820
working quickly end quote to be fair to

712
00:30:17,249 --> 00:30:15,610
bio gland consuming more does support

713
00:30:19,769 --> 00:30:17,259
the primary reason for this products

714
00:30:21,830 --> 00:30:19,779
existence the more tablets people chew

715
00:30:26,960 --> 00:30:21,840
the sooner they'll potentially cough up

716
00:30:30,480 --> 00:30:26,970
another $24 50 recommendations

717
00:30:33,840 --> 00:30:30,490
melatonin homeopathic sleep formula is

718
00:30:37,080 --> 00:30:33,850
packaged like medication and sold in a

719
00:30:39,180 --> 00:30:37,090
pharmacy but with murky claims that are

720
00:30:41,129 --> 00:30:39,190
not supported with evidence wasting

721
00:30:44,039 --> 00:30:41,139
money is the only area where this

722
00:30:46,169 --> 00:30:44,049
product is proven to be effective not

723
00:30:47,490 --> 00:30:46,179
only does bio Glenn Miller tonin not

724
00:30:49,889 --> 00:30:47,500
help you sleep

725
00:30:52,529 --> 00:30:49,899
it's shoki enough that you might lose

726
00:30:56,369 --> 00:30:52,539
sleep worrying about the brazen trickery

727
00:30:58,379 --> 00:30:56,379
this company gets away with but that's

728
00:31:01,110 --> 00:30:58,389
not all this year of interest to

729
00:31:04,980 --> 00:31:01,120
skeptics another shonky has been awarded

730
00:31:07,369 --> 00:31:04,990
to magnetic therapy an oldie but a

731
00:31:10,080 --> 00:31:07,379
goodie and the press release says

732
00:31:13,230 --> 00:31:10,090
magnetic therapy Gyeonggi for using weak

733
00:31:16,470 --> 00:31:13,240
health claims to pull on hip pockets

734
00:31:18,570 --> 00:31:16,480
magnetic therapy promises to take away

735
00:31:20,850 --> 00:31:18,580
or relieve pain through placing weak

736
00:31:24,149 --> 00:31:20,860
static magnets and pain points around

737
00:31:26,130 --> 00:31:24,159
the body a magnet that removes pain with

738
00:31:27,960 --> 00:31:26,140
such bold claims you'd hope for some

739
00:31:30,240 --> 00:31:27,970
type of evidence but there's a clear

740
00:31:33,450 --> 00:31:30,250
lack of studies that prove these devices

741
00:31:35,399 --> 00:31:33,460
aren't simply placebos for example in a

742
00:31:37,399 --> 00:31:35,409
meta-analysis of nine plus SIBO

743
00:31:40,289 --> 00:31:37,409
controlled and randomized trials

744
00:31:43,230 --> 00:31:40,299
professors at the complementary medicine

745
00:31:45,389 --> 00:31:43,240
center from the universities of Exeter

746
00:31:47,159 --> 00:31:45,399
and Plymouth found that quote the

747
00:31:49,320 --> 00:31:47,169
evidence does not support the use of

748
00:31:51,990 --> 00:31:49,330
static magnets for pain relief and

749
00:31:54,750 --> 00:31:52,000
therefore magnets cannot be recommended

750
00:31:57,450 --> 00:31:54,760
as an effective treatment end quote

751
00:32:00,090 --> 00:31:57,460
magnetic therapy devices are often found

752
00:32:02,070 --> 00:32:00,100
in major chemists or online and two of

753
00:32:05,850 --> 00:32:02,080
the most prominent bands are dick weeks

754
00:32:08,100 --> 00:32:05,860
and biomagnetic sport when looking on

755
00:32:10,560 --> 00:32:08,110
their websites you'll also find out that

756
00:32:12,870 --> 00:32:10,570
they point out that their devices aren't

757
00:32:14,970 --> 00:32:12,880
medical treatments the wording is

758
00:32:18,630 --> 00:32:14,980
normally to the effect of quote

759
00:32:20,669 --> 00:32:18,640
information provided within this site is

760
00:32:21,630 --> 00:32:20,679
not a substitute for medical care

761
00:32:24,120 --> 00:32:21,640
unquote

762
00:32:26,940 --> 00:32:24,130
but you'll have to dig past lots of pain

763
00:32:29,880 --> 00:32:26,950
relief claims to get to the medical

764
00:32:32,220 --> 00:32:29,890
disclaimer from arthritis to carpal

765
00:32:35,460 --> 00:32:32,230
tunnel to headaches there's a magnet for

766
00:32:37,860 --> 00:32:35,470
almost every type of pain biomagnetic

767
00:32:40,560 --> 00:32:37,870
sport offers this advice on its online

768
00:32:43,350 --> 00:32:40,570
if IQs for people wondering if their

769
00:32:46,080 --> 00:32:43,360
device is working quote if you have been

770
00:32:48,570 --> 00:32:46,090
using your bio magnetic sport product

771
00:32:50,399 --> 00:32:48,580
for a few days or even weeks and you

772
00:32:52,970 --> 00:32:50,409
don't feel it is helping with your

773
00:32:55,409 --> 00:32:52,980
injury but it has been less than 28 days

774
00:32:58,110 --> 00:32:55,419
please continue to use the product as

775
00:33:00,240 --> 00:32:58,120
directed men quote that's a pretty

776
00:33:02,760 --> 00:33:00,250
shonky move and one that could leave

777
00:33:05,519 --> 00:33:02,770
australian suffering for longer periods

778
00:33:08,330 --> 00:33:05,529
than needed or worse if there's a

779
00:33:11,909 --> 00:33:08,340
serious underlying medical condition

780
00:33:14,340 --> 00:33:11,919
more pain from high price points however

781
00:33:16,409 --> 00:33:14,350
it doesn't end bad advice

782
00:33:19,799 --> 00:33:16,419
many of the magnetic products on offer

783
00:33:22,019 --> 00:33:19,809
will also yank on your bank balance for

784
00:33:23,980 --> 00:33:22,029
example at the top of the range the king

785
00:33:26,799 --> 00:33:23,990
size premium wool

786
00:33:29,590 --> 00:33:26,809
Natick underlay from dick wicks will set

787
00:33:32,080 --> 00:33:29,600
you back almost 500 dollars while the

788
00:33:36,430 --> 00:33:32,090
magnetic muscle wrap from biomagnetic

789
00:33:38,950 --> 00:33:36,440
sport is 4995 which is much more

790
00:33:41,860 --> 00:33:38,960
expensive than common sports tapes and

791
00:33:44,080 --> 00:33:41,870
straps some of the wackier products in

792
00:33:47,380 --> 00:33:44,090
the eyebrow-raising department range are

793
00:33:50,740 --> 00:33:47,390
the dick wicks ear orbs recommended

794
00:33:53,200 --> 00:33:50,750
retail price of $14 95 that claim to

795
00:33:57,520 --> 00:33:53,210
quote instantly transform your old

796
00:33:59,950 --> 00:33:57,530
earrings into natural drug-free magnetic

797
00:34:02,049 --> 00:33:59,960
therapy products end quote

798
00:34:05,710 --> 00:34:02,059
not to mention suppress appetite and

799
00:34:06,880 --> 00:34:05,720
food cravings and most earrings already

800
00:34:09,760 --> 00:34:06,890
drug free

801
00:34:12,490 --> 00:34:09,770
there are also magnets for cats dogs and

802
00:34:16,629 --> 00:34:12,500
horses including a horse rug recommended

803
00:34:20,550 --> 00:34:16,639
retail price of 200 and $29.95 that

804
00:34:22,810 --> 00:34:20,560
promises to quote repel pain and attract

805
00:34:24,940 --> 00:34:22,820
soundness end quote

806
00:34:28,000 --> 00:34:24,950
if you're suffering from any type of

807
00:34:30,940 --> 00:34:28,010
pain or condition it's always best to

808
00:34:33,119 --> 00:34:30,950
see a medical professional rather than

809
00:34:36,040 --> 00:34:33,129
spend money on a wearable or

810
00:34:37,710 --> 00:34:36,050
close-proximity magnetic devices from

811
00:34:40,810 --> 00:34:37,720
companies like dick weeks and

812
00:34:43,810 --> 00:34:40,820
biomagnetic support the only thing these

813
00:34:46,700 --> 00:34:43,820
magnets will relieve you of is the money

814
00:34:49,290 --> 00:34:46,710
from your wallet

815
00:34:52,020 --> 00:34:49,300
so those two products were certainly

816
00:34:55,140 --> 00:34:52,030
highlights for skeptics this year the

817
00:34:57,840 --> 00:34:55,150
products mentioned or awarded ashang

818
00:35:02,460 --> 00:34:57,850
keyword the marriott chain of hotels the

819
00:35:05,550 --> 00:35:02,470
commonwealth bank like coaster that

820
00:35:07,770 --> 00:35:05,560
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856
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857
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person who was one of the people behind

858
00:37:00,829 --> 00:36:58,730
that who have we got here if you can say

859
00:37:03,859 --> 00:37:00,839
David Rosenberg the technical and

860
00:37:05,810 --> 00:37:03,869
creative consultant Wow on on the Pine

861
00:37:08,240 --> 00:37:05,820
Gap television series Wow and of course

862
00:37:09,680 --> 00:37:08,250
now why are you you just the guy closest

863
00:37:11,750 --> 00:37:09,690
to the door and I said we need someone

864
00:37:13,520 --> 00:37:11,760
why did they pick you I was the one the

865
00:37:15,170 --> 00:37:13,530
writers found when they googled Pine Gap

866
00:37:16,640 --> 00:37:15,180
because I wrote a book called inside

867
00:37:19,220 --> 00:37:16,650
Pine Gap the spy who came in from the

868
00:37:20,810 --> 00:37:19,230
desert back in 2011 so they contacted me

869
00:37:22,430 --> 00:37:20,820
and asked me if I'd like to discuss

870
00:37:24,109 --> 00:37:22,440
being a consultant on the series I

871
00:37:25,849 --> 00:37:24,119
believe you used to work for no such

872
00:37:27,500 --> 00:37:25,859
agency is that correct and no such

873
00:37:29,359 --> 00:37:27,510
agency is correct yes Wow

874
00:37:30,890 --> 00:37:29,369
and I would like to point out that they

875
00:37:32,060 --> 00:37:30,900
do have the world's biggest car park

876
00:37:33,710 --> 00:37:32,070
because if anyone has said look at the

877
00:37:36,020 --> 00:37:33,720
NSA building they've got to be doing

878
00:37:37,640 --> 00:37:36,030
something in there because it's huge it

879
00:37:39,170 --> 00:37:37,650
is it is I've been there myself and it's

880
00:37:41,270 --> 00:37:39,180
a long walk from one end to the other

881
00:37:43,790 --> 00:37:41,280
believe me Wow because you can't say too

882
00:37:45,470 --> 00:37:43,800
much about what goes on in there but is

883
00:37:47,510 --> 00:37:45,480
of the media they thought oh hang on me

884
00:37:50,120 --> 00:37:47,520
this is a disinformation program that's

885
00:37:52,099 --> 00:37:50,130
going on about Pine Gap initialised from

886
00:37:53,300 --> 00:37:52,109
the NSA is that correct you're telling

887
00:37:54,470 --> 00:37:53,310
people that stuff's going on that's not

888
00:37:56,359 --> 00:37:54,480
really happening well the interesting

889
00:37:58,339 --> 00:37:56,369
stuff is probably going on at some place

890
00:38:00,170 --> 00:37:58,349
in Western Australia that we don't talk

891
00:38:02,030 --> 00:38:00,180
about as much that's why they had the

892
00:38:06,310 --> 00:38:02,040
submarine transmitters that's true

893
00:38:10,910 --> 00:38:08,930
what I could tell you is that the TV

894
00:38:12,560 --> 00:38:10,920
series is a fictional drama geopolitical

895
00:38:14,450 --> 00:38:12,570
thriller so it is fiction it is a

896
00:38:16,820 --> 00:38:14,460
dramatization of what happens at Pine

897
00:38:18,290 --> 00:38:16,830
Gap it does not it does not reflect the

898
00:38:20,180 --> 00:38:18,300
real-world activities that happen to

899
00:38:22,160 --> 00:38:20,190
find gap because I mentioned the real

900
00:38:24,140 --> 00:38:22,170
drama at Pine Gap would be on a on a

901
00:38:28,280 --> 00:38:24,150
political level between people trying to

902
00:38:31,310 --> 00:38:28,290
get promotions like any business there's

903
00:38:33,560 --> 00:38:31,320
a lot of a lot of competition out there

904
00:38:35,000 --> 00:38:33,570
yes so yes if people do go to Pine Gap

905
00:38:37,250 --> 00:38:35,010
actually it's a good career move to go

906
00:38:38,839 --> 00:38:37,260
there and have some time in the field um

907
00:38:40,790 --> 00:38:38,849
what was your specialty what drew you

908
00:38:43,220 --> 00:38:40,800
into that world are you an expert in

909
00:38:44,810 --> 00:38:43,230
encryptions or what actually decided oh

910
00:38:47,510 --> 00:38:44,820
I would like to work for this one had

911
00:38:49,460 --> 00:38:47,520
you had they pick you I was a weapon

912
00:38:51,800 --> 00:38:49,470
signals analyst so when the job came up

913
00:38:54,589 --> 00:38:51,810
I applied for it and went to Pine Gap

914
00:38:56,120 --> 00:38:54,599
and decided to stay for a little bit

915
00:38:58,640 --> 00:38:56,130
longer than originally planned which was

916
00:38:59,630 --> 00:38:58,650
only two years that turned into 18 years

917
00:39:01,130 --> 00:38:59,640
so I kind of felt like I was on

918
00:39:02,430 --> 00:39:01,140
Gilligan's Island with my time just keep

919
00:39:05,589 --> 00:39:02,440
going on

920
00:39:07,750 --> 00:39:05,599
which was fantastic but the technology

921
00:39:09,099 --> 00:39:07,760
in 18 years I mean when they started it

922
00:39:10,539 --> 00:39:09,109
was just like people chucking rocks at

923
00:39:12,190 --> 00:39:10,549
each other obviously when you started

924
00:39:14,740 --> 00:39:12,200
and by the end of it you I mean how do

925
00:39:16,569 --> 00:39:14,750
you keep up with the signals it's

926
00:39:17,260 --> 00:39:16,579
different all the time new stuffs being

927
00:39:18,760 --> 00:39:17,270
made all the time

928
00:39:20,319 --> 00:39:18,770
the Chinese would have made a different

929
00:39:22,180 --> 00:39:20,329
signal from the Indonesians it must be

930
00:39:24,760 --> 00:39:22,190
very confusing that's right you have to

931
00:39:27,279 --> 00:39:24,770
be familiar with the with the signal

932
00:39:28,599 --> 00:39:27,289
spectrum environment and you have to you

933
00:39:31,870 --> 00:39:28,609
have to basically keep up with the

934
00:39:33,970 --> 00:39:31,880
technology as it accelerates as well the

935
00:39:36,339 --> 00:39:33,980
the satellites with each successive

936
00:39:38,920 --> 00:39:36,349
satellite going up they have they have

937
00:39:40,720 --> 00:39:38,930
enhanced capabilities so yes you have to

938
00:39:42,250 --> 00:39:40,730
keep your technical skills up-to-date so

939
00:39:43,750 --> 00:39:42,260
do we still bother flying in a Ryan

940
00:39:45,640 --> 00:39:43,760
aircraft along the fringes of the

941
00:39:46,930 --> 00:39:45,650
Indonesian coast so we can pick up on

942
00:39:48,279 --> 00:39:46,940
all these signals and frequencies or

943
00:39:48,690 --> 00:39:48,289
that's just we don't need to do that

944
00:39:50,890 --> 00:39:48,700
anymore

945
00:39:52,539 --> 00:39:50,900
all that's part of reconnaissance I

946
00:39:54,430 --> 00:39:52,549
don't I don't really know what goes on

947
00:39:55,980 --> 00:39:54,440
with the Orion aircraft but there's

948
00:39:57,760 --> 00:39:55,990
certainly every reason to have

949
00:40:00,579 --> 00:39:57,770
reconnaissance wherever a government

950
00:40:01,690 --> 00:40:00,589
feels it's necessary and I guess you

951
00:40:04,240 --> 00:40:01,700
can't give away too much but watch

952
00:40:06,370 --> 00:40:04,250
what's your favorite thing about the job

953
00:40:08,289 --> 00:40:06,380
I mean is there a particular aircraft or

954
00:40:10,210 --> 00:40:08,299
or a particular weapon that you go

955
00:40:12,660 --> 00:40:10,220
that's pretty fascinating boy I could

956
00:40:15,099 --> 00:40:12,670
look I could do that all day even more

957
00:40:16,210 --> 00:40:15,109
the exciting part for me was always

958
00:40:17,620 --> 00:40:16,220
searching for something new when you

959
00:40:19,120 --> 00:40:17,630
find something that nobody in the

960
00:40:20,829 --> 00:40:19,130
community is seen before and you're the

961
00:40:22,960 --> 00:40:20,839
first person to find it that's a buzz

962
00:40:24,490 --> 00:40:22,970
that's that that that's that's a really

963
00:40:25,990 --> 00:40:24,500
good accomplishment yeah and then you've

964
00:40:27,730 --> 00:40:26,000
got to like back track it and find out

965
00:40:30,130 --> 00:40:27,740
what exactly it is it's a meeting that

966
00:40:32,200 --> 00:40:30,140
that's right you got to go and analyze

967
00:40:34,420 --> 00:40:32,210
it so as signals analyst that's what we

968
00:40:35,980 --> 00:40:34,430
do and of course the special

969
00:40:37,960 --> 00:40:35,990
relationship between Australia and

970
00:40:40,240 --> 00:40:37,970
America is often criticized I've I've

971
00:40:41,589 --> 00:40:40,250
criticized on a number of occasions but

972
00:40:44,319 --> 00:40:41,599
has what's been explained to people in

973
00:40:47,700 --> 00:40:44,329
the intelligent industry is that if the

974
00:40:50,140 --> 00:40:47,710
Australian intelligence

975
00:40:51,789 --> 00:40:50,150
military-industrial complex is three

976
00:40:53,980 --> 00:40:51,799
people in a kelpy we haven't got too

977
00:40:56,109 --> 00:40:53,990
many but that Kilby works hard let me

978
00:40:57,490 --> 00:40:56,119
tell you but if our soldiers are on the

979
00:40:59,349 --> 00:40:57,500
ground in Afghanistan and they want to

980
00:41:00,700 --> 00:40:59,359
know the live intelligence the Americans

981
00:41:02,829 --> 00:41:00,710
give that to them because of our special

982
00:41:04,450 --> 00:41:02,839
relationship so in some ways it saves

983
00:41:06,220 --> 00:41:04,460
our soldiers lives and that's part of

984
00:41:07,630 --> 00:41:06,230
the reason that we do it that's very

985
00:41:10,359 --> 00:41:07,640
very true and I talk about that in my

986
00:41:12,250 --> 00:41:10,369
book as well so yeah especially if you

987
00:41:13,450 --> 00:41:12,260
have a troops in the field you have as

988
00:41:15,190 --> 00:41:13,460
you have support to military operations

989
00:41:17,260 --> 00:41:15,200
and that's one of the things that I

990
00:41:18,789 --> 00:41:17,270
does as well basically helping to

991
00:41:20,530 --> 00:41:18,799
safeguard the troops that are that are

992
00:41:22,240 --> 00:41:20,540
that are in that are in either enemy

993
00:41:24,069 --> 00:41:22,250
territory occupied territory are just

994
00:41:25,900 --> 00:41:24,079
doing a peacekeeping mission do you

995
00:41:27,670 --> 00:41:25,910
think people sometimes overstate the

996
00:41:29,680 --> 00:41:27,680
technology thinking that all we can have

997
00:41:32,680 --> 00:41:29,690
a safer environment for our troops

998
00:41:34,569 --> 00:41:32,690
because the technology will save them in

999
00:41:36,760 --> 00:41:34,579
difficult situations probably they

1000
00:41:38,950 --> 00:41:36,770
depend on it too much sometimes well you

1001
00:41:42,490 --> 00:41:38,960
are going to look at whatever you have

1002
00:41:44,710 --> 00:41:42,500
at your disposal to make things easier

1003
00:41:46,839 --> 00:41:44,720
and safer for the troops on the ground

1004
00:41:48,599 --> 00:41:46,849
so whatever you can develop and utilize

1005
00:41:51,700 --> 00:41:48,609
the government will certainly do that

1006
00:41:53,650 --> 00:41:51,710
and what's your area you'd like to see a

1007
00:41:54,789 --> 00:41:53,660
bit more development in without giving

1008
00:41:56,620 --> 00:41:54,799
away too much is there something you

1009
00:41:58,270 --> 00:41:56,630
know what because as I said earlier like

1010
00:41:59,770 --> 00:41:58,280
new stuff is really good what's the most

1011
00:42:02,829 --> 00:41:59,780
interesting new stuff that you can talk

1012
00:42:04,599 --> 00:42:02,839
about imagery satellites are quite are

1013
00:42:07,599 --> 00:42:04,609
quite exciting it's it's always good to

1014
00:42:09,430 --> 00:42:07,609
have a satellites that can see as as

1015
00:42:11,650 --> 00:42:09,440
much detail as they can from a very very

1016
00:42:14,440 --> 00:42:11,660
high altitude so it's code name 'crystal

1017
00:42:15,700 --> 00:42:14,450
really old stuff now that's one of them

1018
00:42:17,440 --> 00:42:15,710
yeah I mean you'll see this stuff out on

1019
00:42:18,370 --> 00:42:17,450
the internet you can you can google it

1020
00:42:20,710 --> 00:42:18,380
and you'll find a lot of information

1021
00:42:22,359 --> 00:42:20,720
beware there because a lot of it is this

1022
00:42:23,980 --> 00:42:22,369
information be skeptical about it

1023
00:42:25,210 --> 00:42:23,990
oh yeah exactly because it's not even

1024
00:42:26,440 --> 00:42:25,220
just information coming from the

1025
00:42:29,109 --> 00:42:26,450
government it's just people right and

1026
00:42:32,710 --> 00:42:29,119
crap that's true it's everywhere isn't

1027
00:42:34,270 --> 00:42:32,720
it and oh yeah now where can we see this

1028
00:42:35,859 --> 00:42:34,280
show and the wins at stock is gonna be

1029
00:42:37,809 --> 00:42:35,869
on iView and everything on the ABC but

1030
00:42:39,309 --> 00:42:37,819
wins it's official airdate okay the

1031
00:42:41,230 --> 00:42:39,319
first two episodes are going to be a

1032
00:42:45,549 --> 00:42:41,240
double episode airing on the 14th of

1033
00:42:47,799 --> 00:42:45,559
October that's Sunday night and I think

1034
00:42:50,589 --> 00:42:47,809
it'll be on I view after that you'll be

1035
00:42:52,210 --> 00:42:50,599
able to see all of the episodes and then

1036
00:42:53,740 --> 00:42:52,220
if you're overseas you can see it on

1037
00:42:55,720 --> 00:42:53,750
Netflix as well it won't be available

1038
00:43:00,069 --> 00:42:55,730
immediately on Netflix in Australia but

1039
00:43:02,500 --> 00:43:00,079
it will be available on the ABC and just

1040
00:43:03,819 --> 00:43:02,510
just get ready for it there's gonna be a

1041
00:43:05,440 --> 00:43:03,829
lot of discussion about it you'll hear

1042
00:43:07,030 --> 00:43:05,450
your hero you'll hear a lot of people in

1043
00:43:08,170 --> 00:43:07,040
Australia talking about it is there a

1044
00:43:11,710 --> 00:43:08,180
website or something on that we can go

1045
00:43:14,620 --> 00:43:11,720
to have a look at it yeah I think yes

1046
00:43:16,240 --> 00:43:14,630
there well Netflix I believe has some

1047
00:43:18,880 --> 00:43:16,250
has released some media releases on it

1048
00:43:20,079 --> 00:43:18,890
so they might have some more information

1049
00:43:22,900 --> 00:43:20,089
about there there's been some promos

1050
00:43:25,470 --> 00:43:22,910
from the ABC so you'll be able to just -

1051
00:43:27,460 --> 00:43:25,480
if you just if you just Google Pine Gap

1052
00:43:28,000 --> 00:43:27,470
Netflix you'll be able to get a lot of a

1053
00:43:30,220 --> 00:43:28,010
lot of

1054
00:43:33,340 --> 00:43:30,230
formation and as someone who's now been

1055
00:43:35,770 --> 00:43:33,350
someone who's been able a technical

1056
00:43:37,810 --> 00:43:35,780
adviser to a movie what's a movie you

1057
00:43:39,280 --> 00:43:37,820
think has some great technical advice

1058
00:43:41,590 --> 00:43:39,290
and there I was always a fan of The Hunt

1059
00:43:43,240 --> 00:43:41,600
for Red October that's kind of cool but

1060
00:43:44,650 --> 00:43:43,250
I imagine that stuff's pretty incorrect

1061
00:43:45,850 --> 00:43:44,660
I'm pretty sure the inside of a Russian

1062
00:43:48,010 --> 00:43:45,860
sub doesn't look like that will make

1063
00:43:50,410 --> 00:43:48,020
that noise and there isn't a Scottish

1064
00:43:52,090 --> 00:43:50,420
guy in charge of it either what's one of

1065
00:43:54,730 --> 00:43:52,100
your favorite movies you got man that

1066
00:43:56,500 --> 00:43:54,740
that's technically well done I like the

1067
00:43:58,600 --> 00:43:56,510
James Bond movies for entertainment they

1068
00:43:59,980 --> 00:43:58,610
have they have they have they have they

1069
00:44:04,060 --> 00:43:59,990
have the cool cars the penny have you

1070
00:44:06,610 --> 00:44:04,070
got a favorite one big db9 I've been old

1071
00:44:09,160 --> 00:44:06,620
fan of Sean Connery actually so I do

1072
00:44:11,230 --> 00:44:09,170
like the old jet pack his jet pack is

1073
00:44:12,940 --> 00:44:11,240
fantastic you made him wear a helmet as

1074
00:44:14,740 --> 00:44:12,950
if James Bond would ever wear a helmet

1075
00:44:16,660 --> 00:44:14,750
with a jet pack you'd be going no I'm

1076
00:44:18,730 --> 00:44:16,670
going now and Roger Moore going to the

1077
00:44:21,460 --> 00:44:18,740
moon that was a that was pretty funny

1078
00:44:22,780 --> 00:44:21,470
too so yeah so it's it's good and it's

1079
00:44:24,640 --> 00:44:22,790
good entertainment I think that people

1080
00:44:27,010 --> 00:44:24,650
will find at the Pine Gap series as well

1081
00:44:28,480 --> 00:44:27,020
good entertainment and and I just

1082
00:44:30,220 --> 00:44:28,490
remember that that it that it is a

1083
00:44:32,920 --> 00:44:30,230
fictional drama it's not it's not a

1084
00:44:34,750 --> 00:44:32,930
documentary and we'll be having a longer

1085
00:44:36,640 --> 00:44:34,760
chat about your book a little bit later

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in in the skeptical zone but please

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enjoy tonight and let's talk about

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tonight's question which is all about

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music do you think there's a scientific

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formula to music do you think you could

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actually write a pop song by working at

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a scientific formula or there is a

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formula to what people like to hear

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that's a good question I have I don't

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have a musical bone in my body however

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my wife is a music therapist and a music

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psychotherapist Wow so if you cycle

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analyzes people while playing them pick

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up boys is that what goes on not that

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not that simple but there's a lot of

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music in our house whether there's a

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formula that you can use I don't know I

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think that there's a lot of very

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creative people out there who do really

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well when it comes to putting music

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together thanks for checking out the

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show guys really big and you get more

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technical advice in the future fingers

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crossed we'll have a second third series

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coming up as well

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hey you fellow skeptics in Medford here

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with Celeste reward your friendly host

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of squaring the strange a podcast that

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looks at topics ranging from Legends

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panics and cryptids to myths psychology

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and folklore breaking things down and

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picking things apart as we skeptics do

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we bring a few different perspectives on

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things pleasure for example is a witty

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cartoonist and Ben is a brilliant writer

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and longtime skeptical investigator we

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don't always agree well we have fun

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trying and we learn new things join us

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for new topics every week or two or

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browse our backlog of evergreen episodes

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[Music]

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thank you for listening to the skeptics

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zone next week's show will be a little

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bit different than some highlights from

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a show I used to do before the skeptic

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zone called the skeptic tank I think it

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was where I interview magician mark

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Mayer who was investigating psychic

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detectives and I don't think I've ever

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played this interview on the skeptics

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own certainly has not been heard for

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many many years still relevant today he

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talks about Allison d'Ivoire quite a lot

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but this this interest I have right now

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in this topic has come about because of

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the recent podcast you may have heard

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about called the teacher's pet which is

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investigating a cold case here in

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Australia but on one of the episodes

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they actually play a police recording of

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a psychic which I thought was pretty

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strange anyway I've been investigating

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that lately so you might enjoy this

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00:47:35,859 --> 00:47:33,230
interview from years ago about police

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so-called police psychics coming up next

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week it's a busy week ahead for

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Australian skeptics we look forward to

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seeing you at the convention and at the

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free social night with the trivia coming

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up links on this week's show notes but

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for now this is Richard Saunders signing

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off from Sydney Australia you've been

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or any other sceptical organisation

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show after the music may nod and I had a

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listener I love your phone's going off I

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had a listener write in and say that we

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should call this section the

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afterthoughts that's good that's good

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afterthoughts yep that's a good one for

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it that's a that's a good one I think

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that person should get a prize they

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won't be getting a prize well this is

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pretty special because we know that if

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you are listening at half of the credits

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you ask one starve entertainment and

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probably not a lot of as they like to

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say time on your hands a bit like

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vampire Simpsons so while you know while

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you're not shaking your fist at a cloud

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in an angry manner why don't you roll

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the dice Roger

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I will folks I have it right here

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my dad and I are the first ones here at

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skeptics in the pub by the way so I have

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the 10 sided diet today folks may know

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why don't you do the honors may not just

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is that a four-four okay for the first

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number is four we're gonna roll it four

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times okay and so what is the chance of

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someone getting all four numbers correct

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it's 10 times 10 times 10 times 10 so

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it's seven yes right one in seven chairs

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okay so first number was four second

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number is five oh I can see a pattern

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here five third number is seven seven

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four five seven zero four five seven

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zero which is also Richards pin number

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hits well you can take that at zero or

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10 if you take the 1 as 1 it goes run a

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little on them right up to 0 10 so 4 5 7

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10 no what does it mean well I think

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you've got those numbers you've won

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yourself a meat tray that's somewhere in

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the world you just have to go and ask

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them it could take you a while but

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eventually you will find if you ask it

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an infinite number of pubs for an

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infinite number of meat trays you will

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get an infinite number of meat

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an infinite amount of meat is I think

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you will all right all right

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one more one more for all the people who

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didn't get any numbers and there would

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be a lot of you I'm gonna roll it one

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more time use your psychic powers here

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it comes

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three three well done there and thank

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you for listening

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we must apologize that there are no cats

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oh hang on

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here come the skeptical cats will

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scriptable cats hi skeptical cats I

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believe you've got the power of speech

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yes we believe in evidence-based talking